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p.s. Boy, we sure got into some good stuff here. Glad I found this old thread. Love this one also. Notice, I see now that this fake 'love only' message is like the fake 'prosperity' message. it is an enemy to the gospel of God.

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So, we should only teach love eh? Well then tear up and throw out this passage:

Malachi 1

1. The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2. I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3. And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
4. Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, the border of wickedness, and, the people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever.

Sure God loves the RIGHTEOUS; BUT GOD HATES THE WICKED. Now am I unrighteous to tell and warn people of this? I say this is the ONLY TRUE LOVE; TO CORRECT AND WARN THE UNGODLY TO REPENT OF HIS SINS LEST HE BE THROWN INTO A LAKE BURNING WITH FIRE AND BRINSTONE.

Now the Jehovah's wittness (falsely so-called; they know not Jehovah)----- but anyway they went about telling the world God is too good and too loving to send anyone to hell; thus paying the way for all this NEW AGE MESS OF GOD IS SO FULL OF LOVE NO ONE NEEDS TO HEAR OF HELL.

To lie and deceive people into thinking God loves them, when God actually hates them and unless they repent and obey the message of Peter and Paul they are going to land in HELL FIRE.

This is LOVE -- to tell them the truth which can lead them to repentance.

So, Malachi, you better quit saying God hated Esau, you are telling bad stuff here. You not a good teacher.

Let's see now, me thinks Brother Paul got in on this line of stuff also; let me go see.

Romans 9: 13. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Yep there is Paul saying the same thing Malachi said, that God hated Esau. Now it is not just speaking of the litteral man Esau--- it is speaking of all who follow Esau into selling out their birthright (Pentecost) for the flesh. All of them right down to today are Esau.

Proof:?

Obadiah 1

1. The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
2. Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.
3. The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
4. Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.(see, it is the Lord bringing them down).
5. If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
6. How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
7. All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
8. Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?(again this is the Lord coming against Esau.)

Now there is more; but this is enough; Obadiah was written hundreds, maybe a thousand years or more AFTER THE MAN ESAU LIVED. So why is he just now writting PROPHECY about Esau? Because it means people TODAY.

So God still hates them. If they are not warned, they will land in HELL FIRE. Is it LOVE to not tell them the truth? I say no. Love is corrective.

p.s. again: I hope many people will take the time to read these discussions. There is so much truth and needful doctrine in this discussion. Get to TRUTH. Get away from blind, false leaders. So many left here and followed the blind leaders out into the darkness of NIGHT as did Judas.

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Re：God hates some

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The 'mind' is spiritual.  It is not flesh.  Our human body is the flesh.  But there is also a spiritual 'flesh'.  This is the part almost no one is aware of.  All they can think of when they read or say 'flesh' is the body.  But Jesus said his words are spiritual flesh we must 'eat'.
 
See, the carnal mind does NOT perceive any of this spiritual talk, so it goes off the deep end.
 
Sure, God is love, and we are  to know and tell the story of his love.  BUT there is another side of things. And this is also in the Word of God.  If knowing who and what the serpent is, were of no importance, then why does so much of the Word of God speak of this?
 
If you focus on only one thing in the Word, and ignore the rest, or think it unimportant, then you are trying to choose for yourself what part of  GOD IS OK. AND WHAT PART IS OF NO IMPORTANCE.
 
Now I myself consider this to be a dangerous and deadly attitude.  To me ALL of the Word of God is important.  We must live by EVERY WORD OF GOD.  We cannot just decide that we like the 'love' story and say the rest of the Word of God is not worth learning or discussing.
 
Paul plainly said to be carnally MINDED is  DEATH.  Now do you consider this state of being dead of no importance?  If people do not realize where their own worst enemy is, how in this world are they going to know how and where to fight this enemy to destroy him and find eternal life?
 
I see that when a part of the Word is opened up which most of you do not like because you were not taught it by your 'church' or special 'teacher' then you scoff it and try to belittle it and mock and say it is of no importance.  Well, I must tell you, all of God's word is of utmost importance.  The carnal mind is NOT HUMAN FLESH;  IT IS A SPIRIT.  Else how was Peter spiritual in one instance; and Satan only a very short time later?  It was the very same human man standing there.
 
I have challenged all of you who believe in the trinity to show even one verse which says what that doctrine says, and to this date not one of you have ever came up with one little sentence in the Word of God saying what the trinity lie says;  yet everyone still clings to this lie.  Why?
 
Because it is what the main-stream of religions believe.  It is more comfortable to listen to their lies, than to 'swim' against the current and find truth for yourself.
 
It is the same with the thing of Adam being Satan.  It is not popular to believe this so just go with the crowd.  it is easier for you.
But as for me, I believe Jesus.  When he declared the Pharisees to be a generation of SERPENTS, HE CERTAINLY DID NOT MEAN THEY WERE SOME ANIMAL OUT IN SOME FIELD.
 
He shows right here that they were the same substance as that serpent who deceived Eve.  Human.

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Amen, and thank you very much for that nice and encouraging word, Brother Isaiah.  Yes, it is a pity that most everyone today only wants to hear smooth, pleasant things;  tickle their ears.  But don't tell them humanity is a serpent, or no good.
 
Well, Jesus Christ did not mind telling it as it is.  He said, you hypocrites, you scorpions, you generation of serpents.  John said the old serpent is the devil, the dragon, and satan.
 
So what is wrong with my saying it?  I am only saying what they said;  I thought this is what we are supposed to do, teach the Word. I read that in the Word.
 
Yes, as a nation starts to reject the whole council of God, he will raise up a voice to warn them and then destruction followers.
 
Be warned!  Destruction is on its way!
 
Without the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, a Holy, sanctified life, you are doomed to destruction.
 
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Joie this is so true and important and Paul also must thought it was important. The love of Jesus Christ is  very important. But know what the world considers theirselves saved and that is all we hear now, is the love of Jesus. But no what if went back to the ole way where men of GOD PREACHED there was a hellwe as a nation and a people would not be in the shape that we are in. I can remember as a young lad when these preachers preached hell fire and damnation and they would tell you that you were going to hell if you did not repent and be baptized and received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in another tongues.
You know what the altars were full and people were receiving the Holy Ghost as they did on the day of Pentecost and also this nation was better off. There is no fear of God ANY MORE JOIE. 
Folks we need to go back to the old paths. Joie not saying that you are old but the people on this board ought to give thanks for someone like you that will stand for the whole counsel of God as you do and teach. I for one do thank you very much. Hell or heaven, joie preach the word.
Just as Paul said******* For I have not * * shunned to declare unto you all thecounsel of God.

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Re：God hates some

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From: 짰Larry_W_B_1짤Sent: 8/28/2003 5:58 PM
Lu 12:5 *** But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you,Fear him. ( I tell you we must fear him that has the power to cast us into a devil's hell made for the devil and his angels.) 

Ro 3:18****** There is no fear of God before their eyes. ( that is what is wrong with this world to-day there is no fear of God in the world and also the church. We must have the fear of GOD in us. Instead the preachers tell his people just like Adam said to Eve that thou surely shall not die. God IS LOVE, you have no reason to fear God. you and they are going to be accountable to everyone that hears and listen to you.   
Heb 10:31***** It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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msn-freeborn551 wrote on Jan 18, '07
From: 짰Larry_W_B_1짤Sent: 8/28/2003 6:08 PM
Spiritwalker tell me how do you think that the message of love alone will get anyone save? There most be some fear of God so the people will see a reason for repentance. If they only hear the message of love they will say, well God is not going to send me to hell and you know yourself their must be some fear of God in their hearts. That is what brings about repentance, the fear of God. There must be a godly fear there and godly sorrow there.

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msn-freeborn551 wrote on Jan 18, '07
p.s.  I love this one:
 
From: 짰Larry_W_B_1짤Sent: 8/28/2003 7:18 PM
Jesus taught with love and kindness, and told us the greatest commandment of all was to "love one another" ( Spiritwalker)
He sure did didn't he?
Mt 23:33 - Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Mt 3:7 - But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 12:34- O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.Mt 15:7 - Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mt 22:18 - But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?Mt 23:13 - But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.Mt 23:25 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?Mr 7:6 - He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.Surely this was not Jesus talking this way.
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msn-freeborn551 wrote on Jan 18, '07
p.s.  Boy, we sure got into some good stuff here. Glad I found this old thread.  Love this one also.  Notice,  I see now that this  fake 'love only' message is like the fake  'prosperity'  message.  it is an enemy to the gospel of God.
 
From: joieSent: 8/28/2003 9:34 PM
So, we should only teach love eh?  Well then tear up and throw out this passage:
 
Malachi 1
 1.  The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
 2.  I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
 3.  And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
 4.  Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, the border of wickedness, and, the people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever.
 
Sure God loves the RIGHTEOUS;  BUT GOD HATES THE WICKED.  Now am I unrighteous to tell and warn people of this?  I say this is the ONLY TRUE LOVE;    TO CORRECT AND WARN THE UNGODLY TO   REPENT OF HIS SINS   LEST  HE BE THROWN INTO A LAKE BURNING WITH FIRE AND BRINSTONE.
 
Now the Jehovah's wittness  (falsely so-called; they know not Jehovah)----- but anyway they went about telling the world God is too good and too loving to send anyone to hell;  thus paying the way for all this NEW AGE MESS OF GOD IS SO FULL OF LOVE NO ONE NEEDS TO HEAR OF HELL.
 
To lie and deceive people into thinking God loves them, when God actually hates them and unless they repent and obey the message of Peter and Paul they are going to land in HELL FIRE. 
 This is LOVE -- to tell them the truth which can lead them to repentance.
 
So, Malachi, you better quit saying God hated Esau,  you are telling bad stuff here.  You not a good teacher.
Let's see now,  me thinks Brother Paul got in on this line of stuff also;  let me go see.
 
Romans 9: 13.  As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
 
Yep there is Paul saying the same thing Malachi said, that God hated Esau.  Now it is not just speaking of the litteral man Esau--- it is speaking of all who follow Esau into selling out their birthright (Pentecost) for the flesh.  All of them right down to today are Esau.
 
Proof:?
Obadiah 1
 1.  The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
 2.  Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.
 3.  The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
 4.  Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence willI bring thee down, saith the Lord.(see, it is the Lord bringing them down).
 5.  If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
 6.  How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
 7.  All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
 8.  Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?(again this is the Lord coming against Esau.)
 
Now there is more; but this is enough;  Obadiah was written hundreds, maybe a thousand years or more AFTER THE MAN ESAU LIVED.  So why is he just now writting PROPHECY about Esau?  Because it means people  TODAY.
 
So God still hates them.  If they are not warned, they will land in HELL FIRE.  Is it LOVE to not tell them the truth?  I say no.  Love is corrective.

p.s. again:  I hope many people will take the time to read these discussions.  There is so much truth and needful doctrine in this discussion.  Get to TRUTH.  Get away from blind, false leaders.  So many left here and followed the blind leaders out into the darkness of NIGHT as did Judas.

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Re：God hates some

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As you said the BEAST is in all flesh.  Only when one has the Holy Ghost are they delivered from this 'beast'.  It is not just governments.  Mostly in Scripture, the things of God, it is the false churches or prophets. It is not just America.  It is the entire world.

2pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
 2pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
 2pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 
2pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 
2pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 
2pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 
2pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 
2pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 
2pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 
2pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 
2pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 
2pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 
2pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. 
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

A lot of Scripture.  But I teach with Scripture, therefore no one can ever say it is wrong, unless they call the Word a lie.  Not my words, but God's.

Now about not being perfect:
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
 Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
 Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

So, see,  If you have come under the blood of Jesus, you have been perfected forever.  No sin.  God sees us as clean.  blood of animals, OT Sacrifices could not do it.  but the blood of Jesus did.
If you are not perfect, you are still under the blood of animals.  Else you say the blood of Jesus can do no more than the blood of animals.
He has perfected forever those of us who are sanctified.

If you are not perfect, then you need to obey NT Salvation.  This is Gods word, not mine.

God bless you also.  and I thank you for getting into these discussions.  Only in this way can truth come forth and God can show his truth to others.

Jo